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Thursday 5 October 2023

Do you really want to live forever?

Even back in the '80s, a career as a fantasy writer was half an excuse to read up on myths and folktales and get paid for it. In preparing my Jewelspider RPG I've enjoyed many a deep dive into folklore. Inevitably my copy of The Golden Bough gets a lot of use and here's a particularly choice snippet from Frazer that deserves to get used in Legend somewhere:

'In legends and folk-tales, which reflect the ideas of earlier ages, we find [the] suspension between heaven and earth attributed to beings who have been endowed with the coveted yet burdensome gift of immortality. The wizened remains of the deathless Sibyl are said to have been preserved in a jar or urn which hung in a temple of Apollo at Cumae; and when a group of merry children, tired, perhaps, of playing in the sunny streets, sought the shade of the temple and amused themselves by gathering underneath the familiar jar and calling out, “Sibyl, what do you wish?” a hollow voice, like an echo, used to answer from the urn, “I wish to die.” A story, taken down from the lips of a German peasant at Thomsdorf, relates that once upon a time there was a girl in London who wished to live for ever, so they say:

“London, London is a fine town. A maiden prayed to live for ever.”

'And still she lives and hangs in a basket in a church, and every St. John's Day, about the hour of noon, she eats a roll of bread. Another German story tells of a lady who resided at Danzig and was so rich and so blest with all that life can give that she wished to live always. So when she came to her latter end, she did not really die but only looked like dead, and very soon they found her in a hollow of a pillar in the church, half standing and half sitting, motionless. She stirred never a limb, but they saw quite plainly that she was alive, and she sits there down to this blessed day. Every New Year's Day the sacristan comes and puts a morsel of the holy bread in her mouth, and that is all she has to live on. Long, long has she rued her fatal wish who set this transient life above the eternal joys of heaven.

'A third German story tells of a noble damsel who cherished the same foolish wish for immortality. So they put her in a basket and hung her up in a church, and there she hangs and never dies, though many a year has come and gone since they put her there. But every year on a certain day they give her a roll, and she eats it and cries out, “For ever! for ever! for ever!” And when she has so cried she falls silent again till the same time next year, and so it will go on for ever and for ever.

'A fourth story, taken down near Oldenburg in Holstein, tells of a jolly dame that ate and drank and lived right merrily and had all that heart could desire, and she wished to live always. For the first hundred years all went well, but after that she began to shrink and shrivel up, till at last she could neither walk nor stand nor eat nor drink. But die she could not. At first they fed her as if she were a little child, but when she grew smaller and smaller they put her in a glass bottle and hung her up in the church. And there she still hangs, in the church of St. Mary, at Lübeck. She is as small as a mouse, but once a year she stirs.'

Here's another example, this time not from folklore but from fiction (Conrad's Nostromo):

'The sailors, the Indian, and the stolen burro were never seen again. As to the Indian, a Sulaco man—his wife paid for some masses, and the poor four-footed beast, being without sin, had been probably permitted to die; but the two gringos, spectral and alive, are believed to be dwelling to this day amongst the rocks under the fatal spell of their success. Their souls cannot tear themselves away from their bodies mounting guard over the discovered treasure. They are now rich and hungry and thirsty—a strange theory of tenacious gringo ghosts suffering in their starved and parched flesh of defiant heretics, where a Christian would have renounced and been released.'

And that in turn reminded me of the wizard Cob in Le Guin's The Farthest Shore, who makes himself unkillable but not in a good way. His body is covered in wounds, he gets stomped and burnt by a dragon, and crawls off helpless. And (gosh, this archetype is everywhere) there's also Kroenen in the Hellboy movie:

Even the scientific pathways to immortality don't sound very appealing. For player-characters, then, immortality is a case of be careful what you wish for.

4 comments:

  1. There are other cases such as Dr Parnassus who asks for eternal life, but not eternal youth. Or vampires which drink blood to live forever, but seem to just exist in some undead twilight, which is dedicated only to living forever.
    Or in real life, where rich people are doing literally anything to live longer no matter how absurd up to and including buying young peoples' blood...life is starting to imitate art. Taken to an extreme, their efforts to escape death seem to be leading to a life so constrained and unpleasant that it is some kind if slavery to the idea of immortality, which a lot of people would choose death over.

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    1. Coincidentally, The Economist's current Technology Quarterly is about various causes of (and possible remedies for) ageing. But none of them will be much use, as you say, Stuart, if they only increase lifespan and not "healthspan".

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    2. Long ago, in the time before the great burning, when the Earth brimmed with luxuries plucked from the loam of the earth, a rich man named Musk craved the life immortal. He cared little for the fate of the body, but wished his thoughts to persist, to continue spreading his wisdom amongst the lesser mortals with whom he was surrounded. It is said that in the chaos that ensued after the Final Trump was played, he achieved his wish, and his mind was sealed in a cunningly-wrought glass bottle, which then hung in his dwelling in New Zealand, for that was where all the rich men had planned to assemble in the final times. But for all his wisdom Musk had not foreseen the fate of Mankind, and so from his miraculous bottle he dispenses his strange ideas but once a year, to the jeering crowd which assembles amidst the ruins of the Billionnaire's Parish, and whose members steadfastly refuse to rename their township 'X'.

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    3. Judging by the comments from Mr Musk that I see on Twitter (sorry, on "X") the solution is a lot simpler than that. We could quickly train GPT-3 (sic) to replicate his typical tweets, which largely fall into the categories of puerile, asinine, anti-liberal and batshit crazy.

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